a scientific poll of people who actually watched this debate and they will give us their opinion who won, who came out stronger. the vice president, the kochman from wisconsin. they are still up on the stage. i'm sure they are both pretty happy right now with their respective performances and based on everything i saw tonight, it looked like their respective supporters were pleased, unlike the first presidential debate when so many democrats were deeply disappointed. it looks like the supporters will be there for both sides. look, actually spending quality time together, bidens and ryans, families together, unlike the first presidential debate. soledad, watching what's going on. a little friendly aftersmath. we didn't necessarily see that before. we see some of the kids there up on the stage and sitting in that area, looking pretty happy. obviously very proud of his dad. >> sitting in the debate chair, and the audience applauding as family members spending a few moments on the stage. audience, of course, not allowed to applause, didn't make noise when the debate was going on and that